Recode Decode

Recode Decode Podcast

Kara Swisher, Silicon Valley’s most revered journalist, hosts candid interviews with tech execs, politicians, celebrities and more about their big ideas and how they’re changing our world. Produced by Recode and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

How Anjali Sud stopped worrying about YouTube and reinvented Vimeo
Since becoming CEO a few years ago, Anjali Sud has changed the nature of Vimeo’s business from indie entertainment streaming platform to a SaaS company offering tools for content creators. And it's paying off. Nilay Patel and Anjali discuss Vimeo’s rapid growth, going public, and what’s next for the company. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

Is VR the next frontier in fitness?
Nilay Patel talks with Chris Milk, founder and CEO of Within, which makes the VR fitness app Supernatural. Chris has been making VR experiences for a long time, but Supernatural feels like his biggest hit yet — an app that makes people go out and buy a VR headset just to use. Chris and Nilay discuss how the company Within takes on music licensing, competition with Peloton, and the platform of virtual reality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

Is there a future for Bitcoin? An investor and a skeptic make their case
Nilay Patel interviews two experts on different sides of the bitcoin argument: a bitcoin investor and bitcoin skeptic. The investor is Nic Carter. He’s a general partner at Castle Island Ventures, which funds startups that are building on top of the bitcoin infrastructure to make payments more accessible — basically, making sure bitcoin can function like a currency. The skeptic is Steve Hanke. He is a professor of Applied Economics at Johns Hopkins University, senior fellow and director of the Troubled Curr...


Facebook's VP of Global Affairs doesn’t think the platform is polarizing
In a bonus episode of Decoder, Platformer editor and Verge contributing editor Casey Newton talks with Facebook's VP of Global Affairs Nick Clegg about his lengthy Medium post addressing some of the criticisms that Facebook has endured, as well as unveiling some changes the company is making to give users more control over their experience. Host of Decoder Nilay Patel taks with Casey before the interview to discuss why this shift in Facebook's approach to the user experience is important, and what key issue...

Poshmark’s Tracy Sun on stitching e-commerce with social media
Nilay Patel talks with Tracy Sun, the co-founder and SVP of new markets at Poshmark, a fashion resale company that just went public earlier this year while riding the huge wave of e-commerce growth during the pandemic. Tracy has to manage regular e-commerce issues, like shipping logistics and customer service, as well as influencer economy problems, like burnout and the incessant need to grow follower counts — not to mention the universe of problems that comes with selling fashion, like dealing with fashion...

The robots are coming for your office, with NYT’s Kevin Roose
Nilay Patel sits down with New York Times tech columnist Kevin Roose to discuss the impact of automation on our future — specifically, robotic process automation, or RPA. Kevin's new book, Futureproof: 9 Rules for Humans in the Age of Automation, is out and features a lengthy discussion of RPA, who's using it, who it will affect, and how to think about it as you design your career. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...


Australia vs Facebook — and how regulation is splintering the internet, with Atlassian CEO Scott Farquhar
Nilay Patel talks with Atlassian CEO Scott Farquhar about Australia's Media Bargaining Code, which requires social platforms and search engines to pay news publishers for linking to their work. They also discuss how to run a global company in an increasingly fractured world and why understanding public policy is now key to running a tech company. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

How Twitter is building its future, with Kayvon Beykpour
Nilay talks with Twitter’s Head of Consumer Product, Keyvon Beykpour about what it took to reset the team towards growth, how he decides what to prioritize, and what the timelines for success look like on different projects. They also talk about moderation, of course. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...


Evil Geniuses' CEO Nicole LaPointe Jameson on how to run an esports company
Nilay Patel talks with CEO of Evil Geniuses about how an esports team makes money, where the industry is headed, and where she sees growth. We want to hear what you think of Decoder! Please fill out this short survey: theverge.com/survey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

CNBC’s Jon Fortt on GameStop, Robinhood, and wallstreetbets
CNBC anchor Jon Fortt unpacks how the GameStop stock story was covered by the media and if technology has the ability to democratize the markets through apps like Robinhood. Fortt also discusses his course ‘The Black Experience in America,’ which looks at race in the US https://www.forttmedia.com/ We want to know what you think of the podcast! Please take our audience survey at theverge.com/survey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...


Black Software author on technology’s role in racial justice
In this episode of Decoder, Nilay sits down with Charlton McIlwain, a professor of media, culture, and communications at NYU and the author of Black Software, to talk about Black Lives Matter, Twitter, Online Communities, and Policing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

Venture Capitalism isn’t just for Venture Capitalists, with Arlan Hamilton
Nilay Patel talks with venture capitalist Arlan Hamilton. Arlan founded VC fund Backstage Capital in 2015 and focuses on investing in “underestimated founders,” many of whom are people of color, women and LGBTQ. They discuss the importance of representation in tech and business, how the VC world works, and why Arlan is hopeful about the future at Backstage. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

The SolarWinds hack: cyber attacks and national security with Reuters reporter Joseph Menn
The Verge's Nilay Patel is joined by Joseph Menn, a cybersecurity reporter at Reuters and author of the new book Cult of the Dead Cow: How the Original Hacking Supergroup Might Just Save the World. Nilay and Joseph talk about a very big problem in US cybersecurity today: the SolarWinds hack. In December, it was reported that a group of hackers, likely from the Russian government, had gotten into SolarWinds, a dominant player in network management software, and then used that access to breach everything from...


Trump, Twitter, and the First Amendment, with platform moderation expert Daphne Keller
In the aftermath of the pro-Trump attack on the Capitol, many online platforms, including both Twitter and Facebook, banned President Trump. In this week’s episode, Nilay Patel talks with regulation expert and law professor Daphne Keller, about a big problem: how to moderate what happens on the internet. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...


The business of meatless meat with Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown
Today’s episode is with Beyond Meat founder and CEO Ethan Brown. Nilay and Ethan discuss how the company is doing since its IPO in 2019 and how they are fairing during the pandemic. The food supply chain has seen significant impact during COVID and there has been an increased demand for plant-based proteins during the pandemic, with meat shortages and more people cooking at home. They also talk about how Beyond Meat is structured, how they are different from other competitors in the market, and what’s next ...

How the @!#$ does advertising work, with Cadillac CMO Melissa Grady
Advertising is a huge part of the economy and something we all experience everyday through various mediums. In this episode, Nilay Patel talks with Cadillac CMO Melissa Grady about how advertising has been reinvented by technology — from data-driven insights to new social media platforms to the role of influencers in marketing. They also unpack how modern advertising works and where it's headed in the future.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

Can Substack CEO Chris Best build a new model for journalism?
Nilay Patel talks to Chris Best, cofounder and CEO of Substack, the subscription newsletter startup that’s taken the media industry by storm over the past few months. The conversation explores how Substack's business model could potentially impact the media industry, but also dives into the basic questions about running a media company -- how Substack makes money, how it’s going to scale while offering additional services to writers, like legal protection, and, of course, content moderation. Learn more abou...


Alamo Drafthouse CEO Shelli Taylor on going back to the movies
On this episode of Decoder, Nilay talks with Shelli Taylor, the CEO of Alamo Drafthouse. Shelli stepped into her new role as CEO during the pandemic. In this conversation, Nilay and Shelli discuss the steps she had to take to get her company back on solid ground — including justifying high fixed costs of expensive lightbulbs — and how the government has failed to manage the pandemic effectively for business owners. They also talk about what it will take to safely reopen theaters and what the future looks li...

Microsoft's Phil Spencer on launching the new Xbox and the future of games
On this week’s episode of Decoder Nilay Patel talks to Phil Spencer, the guy in charge of Xbox at Microsoft. They discuss not only the next-generation Xbox and PS5 just arriving in stores now, but how gaming itself has become part of mainstream culture, a trend that has definitely accelerated during the pandemic. We’ve also reached an inflection point for game streaming: Google, Amazon, and Microsoft all have services that allow consumers to play games on any device by streaming them over the internet, kind...

Remote learning is here to stay — can we make it better?
On this week’s episode of Decoder, Nilay Patel talks with Sal Khan, the co-founder and CEO of Khan Academy, a nonprofit online learning platform for students in kindergarten through high school. Khan Academy is an organization that exists because of technology. What started with Sal tutoring his niece in math over video using off the shelf cameras and software, has grown into an organization with nearly 20 million users per month, available in 46 languages and used in more than 190 countries. And online lea...


Mark Cuban on the presidency and the future of American business
On the first episode of Decoder, Nilay Patel interviews Mark Cuban. Mark is the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, he’s a tech investor, and is on the hit show, Shark Tank. The conversation, recorded as last week’s election results rolled in, covers how interwoven business, technology, and policy are, whether its 5G, or the NBA bubble, or AI, or his investments into healthcare -- if you want to understand the landscape of the future, you have to understand tech, you have to understand business, and you have to ...

Welcome to Decoder
It may seem like a strange time to launch a podcast about business when the pandemic has frozen so many things in place, but the future is still coming — people are building technology and making policy for it right now. And it’s important to talk to them. This is Decoder with Nilay Patel. New episodes coming November 10th. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

Best of: Shoshana Zuboff
In this best-of episode, originally published in February 2019, Kara Swisher talks with Harvard Business School professor emerita Shoshana Zuboff about her book The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power. Zuboff talks about the way tech companies have eroded democracy, why she coined the term "surveillance capitalism," and what can be done about it. Featuring: Shoshana Zuboff (@shoshanazuboff), author, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Hum...


Best of: Esther Perel
In this best-of episode, originally published in March 2018, Kara Swisher talks to sex and relationship therapist Esther Perel, the host of the podcast Where Should We Begin? Perel discusses her then-new book about infidelity, The State of Affairs, and how dating apps like Tinder discourage their users from pursuing committed relationships. This interview was recorded live in Austin, Texas at South by Southwest 2018. Featuring: Esther Perel (@EstherPerel), host, Where Should We Begin? Host: Kara Swisher (@k...

Best of: Patty McCord
In this best-of episode, originally published in January 2018, Kara Swisher talks to Netflix's former chief talent officer Patty McCord about that company's famous "culture deck" and her book Powerful: Building a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility. McCord recalls how CEO Reed Hastings convinced her to work at Netflix, the common mistakes companies make when hiring and firing, and why coddling employees with Google-style perks is overrated. Featuring: Patty McCord, (@pattymccord1), author, Powerful: Build...

Best of: Anthony Scaramucci
In this best-of episode, originally published in March 2018, Kara Swisher talks to former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci about his infamous 11-day stint in the Trump administration and why he believed Trump would win re-election. Scaramucci also talks about Reince Priebus and Steve Bannon, the culture of backstabbing in Washington, and Trump's secret admirers in Silicon Valley. Featuring: Anthony Scaramucci (@scaramucci), founder of SkyBridge Capital Host: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher)...


Best of: Chamath Palihapitiya
In these best-of interview excerpts — originally published in March 2016, August 2017, and March 2020 — Kara Swisher talks with venture capitalist and Social Capital CEO Chamath Palihapitiya. They discuss his time working at AOL and Facebook, the problems with corporate culture in Silicon Valley, and how the industry and office culture as a whole were shaken up by COVID-19. Featuring: Chamath Palihapitiya (@chamath), CEO, Social Capital Host: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-larg...

Best of: Sarah Cooper
In this best-of episode originally published in January 2018, writer and comedian Sarah Cooper talks with Kara Swisher and Dick Costolo about why she left a career in the tech industry to become a stand-up comic. Cooper has made tech a central part of her comedy and has written a book based in part on her time at Yahoo and Google called 100 Tricks To Appear Smart in Meetings. The group debates whether people who work in tech are funny (on purpose) and whether depictions of them in popular culture, on shows ...

Best of: Ellen Pao
In this best-of episode originally published in October 2017, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to investor Ellen Pao about her book, Reset: My Fight for Inclusion and Lasting Change, which chronicled Pao’s 2015 court battle against her former employer, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. They discuss her unsuccessful gender discrimination lawsuit, how it paved the way for future whistleblowers such as Susan Fowler at Uber, and the problems with Silicon Valley's "free speech" idealism. Featuring: Ellen Pao (@ekp), ...


Best of: James Corden
In this best-of episode originally published in October 2016, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to the host of The Late Late Show, James Corden, about redesigning a talk show for the YouTube generation. He talks about the viral video hits that broke out from the show such as "Carpool Karaoke," his complicated relationship with technology, and why he hates it when people use the term "the cloud." Featuring: James Corden (@JKCorden), host, The Late Late Show Host: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and ...

Best of: Nikole Hannah-Jones
In this best-of episode, Recode's Kara Swisher talked to New York Times Magazine reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones about how COVID-19 magnified inequality in the US, and our historical failure to treat essential workers — from meat-packing plants to checkout counters to delivery drivers — with the respect and protection they deserve. Hannah-Jones, who created the 1619 Project at the NYT, also talks about the technology gap and current inequalities in pre-college education, and says the crisis is also an opportun...

Best of: Maria Ressa
In this best-of episode, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to Rappler CEO Maria Ressa about doing investigative journalism in the Philippines, where social media has emboldened an autocratic president. Ressa — currently appealing a "cyber libel" conviction — explains why the Philippines was a cautionary tale for the United States, how Facebook's inaction on disinformation poisoned the political discourse, and what Mark Zuckerberg told her when she tried to appeal to him directly. Featuring: Maria Ressa (@mariares...


Best of: Edward Snowden
In this best-of episode, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden about his book "Permanent Record," how his youthful love of the US government and the early internet turned into skepticism, and why he leaked highly classified information in 2013. Featuring: Edward Snowden (@Snowden), author of Permanent Record and president of Freedom of the Press Foundation (@FreedomofPress) Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle ...

Best of: Maggie Haberman and David Fahrenthold
In this best-of episode, originally published in September 2017, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman and Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold about their reporting on the Trump White House and his finances. They explain how they both accidentally got onto the Trump beat and how Twitter helps them do their jobs. Featuring: Maggie Haberman (@maggienyt), New York Times White House correspondent David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold), Washington Post reporter Hosts: Kara Swish...

Best of: Scott Galloway
In these best-of excerpts from several episodes of Recode Decode, Kara Swisher talks to her Pivot co-host Scott Galloway about the tech giants, the secrets of happiness, and the future of business and marketing. These interviews were originally published in June 2017, September 2017, and May 2019. Featuring: Scott Galloway (@ProfGalloway), co-host of Pivot and professor, NYU Stern School of Business Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle ...


Best of: Scott Galloway
In these best-of excerpts from several episodes of Recode Decode, Kara Swisher talks to her Pivot co-host Scott Galloway about the tech giants, the secrets of happiness, and the future of business and marketing. These interviews were originally published in June 2017, September 2017, and May 2019. Featuring: Scott Galloway (@ProfGalloway), co-host of Pivot and professor, NYU Stern School of Business Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle ...

Best of: Nicole Wong
In this best-of episode, former deputy CTO of the United States Nicole Wong talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about the future of tech policy and why content moderation is more complicated than many people think. They discuss how she went from working for Google to working for President Obama, and Wong proposes a "slow food movement for the internet" to steer companies away from their addiction to "engagement." Featuring: Nicole Wong (@nicolewong), former deputy CTO, United States Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karas...

Best of: Boots Riley
In this best-of episode, Recode's Kara Swisher and Shirin Ghaffary talk to Boots Riley, the writer and director of the satirical dark comedy film Sorry to Bother You. They discuss how he got the movie made and distributed, its unexpected popularity among the tech capitalists it satirizes, and how social media has brought once-obscure viewpoints into the mainstream. Featuring: Boots Riley, writer/director, Sorry to Bother You Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to e...


Best of: Kathy Griffin
In this best-of episode, originally published in March 2019, comedian Kathy Griffin talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the notorious photo shoot that got her investigated by the Secret Service, and her self-financed stand-up special, A Hell of a Story. She also calls for the resignation of Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and talks about how she'd like to see social media companies get regulated. Featuring: Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin), comedian and author Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder a...

Best of: Tristan Harris
Tristan Harris, the co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in these two best-of interview excerpts. In the first interview, originally published in January 2017, Harris discusses his background and the Center's best-known initiative, "Time Well Spent." In the second interview, originally published in May 2019, he talks about a follow-on initiative called "Human Downgrading," a term chosen to describe what engagement-driven tech does to people without them realizing....

Best of: Margrethe Vestager
Margrethe Vestager, the European Commissioner for Competition and a three-time Recode Decode guest, talks with Kara Swisher in these three excerpts from her appearances on the show. Originally published in 2016, 2017, and 2019, the interviews cover how Vestager approached trying to regulate big tech companies such as Apple, Facebook, and Google, which for many years were largely untouched by US regulators. Featuring: Margrethe Vestager (@vestager), European Commissioner for Competition Hosts: Kara Swisher (...


Best of: Tim Cook
Apple CEO Tim Cook talks with Recode's Kara Swisher and MSNBC's Chris Hayes in this live interview that originally aired in April 2018. This conversation was broadcast on MSNBC for the TV show Revolution and also features educators from Chicago-area schools, with whom Apple was partnering to get its devices into more classrooms. Swisher, Hayes, and Cook discuss Apple’s education initiatives, the displacement of jobs by technology and automation, Apple's international taxes, and whether the Trump administrat...

Best of: Tim Cook
Apple CEO Tim Cook talks with Recode's Kara Swisher and MSNBC's Chris Hayes in this live interview that originally aired in April 2018. This conversation was broadcast on MSNBC for the TV show Revolution and also features educators from Chicago-area schools, with whom Apple was partnering to get its devices into more classrooms. Swisher, Hayes, and Cook discuss Apple’s education initiatives, the displacement of jobs by technology and automation, Apple's international taxes, and whether the Trump administrat...

Best of: Mark Zuckerberg
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in this interview, which was originally published in July 2018. They discuss why Facebook hadn't banned Alex Jones and Inforwars (a stance it later reversed), why no one was fired after the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and the rise of China as a global tech power. Featuring: Mark Zuckerberg, co-founder and CEO, Facebook Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle Duhaime-Ross explor...


Best of: Carole Cadwalladr
The Guardian and Observer reporter Carole Cadwalladr talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in this interview, which was originally published in July 2019. They discuss her investigations into the Cambridge Analytica scandal, the links between tech and political disinformation campaigns, and the dangers of challenging billionaire ideologues. Featuring: Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla), reporter and feature writer, The Guardian & Observer Hosts: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large...

Best of: Anand Giridharadas
Journalist and Winners Take All author Anand Giridharadas talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in these excerpts from two of our favorite episodes, originally published in October 2018 and May 2019. They discuss the growing culture of inequality in the tech industry and around the world, how elites use philanthropy as a shield for the damage they have inflicted on others, and what the ultra-rich should do instead of acting as de facto political leaders. Plus: What the government should do to rein them in, and t...

Best of: Hillary Clinton
Here are excerpts from two of our favorite episodes of Recode Decode, originally published in June 2017 and October 2018. In the first section, recorded live at the 2017 Code Conference, Recode's Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg talk to former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton about why she lost the 2016 election, the Democratic Party's failure to use tech and data effectively, and whether she blames Facebook for her defeat. Then, in a follow-up interview recorded in New York City the next year, Swisher ...


Best of: John Carreyrou
Here is one of our favorite episodes of Recode Decode, originally published in May 2018. In it, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to Wall Street Journal investigative reporter John Carreyrou about his book about Theranos, "Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup." They discuss founder Elizabeth Holmes' obsession with Steve Jobs, how red flags about her blood-testing technology were dismissed, and how everything came crashing down. Featuring: John Carreyrou (@JohnCarreyrou), author, Bad Blood: Secr...

Best of: Stacey Abrams
Here are excerpts from two of our favorite episodes of Recode Decode, originally published in November 2017 and June 2019. In the first part of the show, Recode's Kara Swisher and SKDK's Hilary Rosen talk to then-Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams about how tech has changed state politics and why she was wary of Amazon's HQ2 competition. Then, in a live interview from the 2019 Code Conference, Kara and Vox.com's Ezra Klein talk to Abrams and her former campaign manager Lauren Groh-Wargo about the...

Best of: Elon Musk
Here's one of our favorite episodes of Recode Decode, originally published in November 2018. In it, Recode's Kara Swisher talks to Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk about Tesla's turbulent 2018, when SpaceX planned to send its first rocket to Mars, why he fights with journalists on Twitter, and much more. Musk also discusses his "funding secured" tweet that got him in hot water with the SEC, the potential for colonizing other planets such as Mars, and taking money from Saudi investors in the aftermath of Jamal...


Recode Decode series finale: Vox CEO Jim Bankoff and fan-favorite guests
After five years, Kara Swisher signs off as the host of Recode Decode. She and her producer Eric Johnson discuss five of the best moments in the show's 539-episode history; then, she talks with Vox Media CEO Jim Bankoff about the future of Vox as the COVID-19 crisis continues and the media grapples with what it can do to unwind systemic racism; and finally, she answers questions submitted by 10 of her past guests, including Ronan Farrow, Carole Cadwalladr, Anthony Scaramucci, and Stephanie Ruhle. Thank you ...

Recode Decode: Sridhar Ramaswamy
Former Google executive Sridhar Ramaswamy talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new startup, Neeva, which promises to offer paying subscribers a search engine with no ads and without selling its users' data. Ramaswamy, who worked at Google from 2003 to 2018, talks about how it evolved into an advertising powerhouse, why people should care about the "incredibly personal" details revealed by their search history, and why he believes Neeva can reach a larger-audience than just wealthy privacy-conscious co...

Recode Decode: Rose Marcario
Former Patagonia CEO Rose Marcario talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the company's history of activism, the Facebook ad boycott that Patagonia helped start, and what she hopes it will accomplish. Marcario explains how Patagonia chooses which battles to fight, what she thinks of other business leaders who take public stands — such as Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos — and why we need more "good actors" in the corporate world. Plus: Is "compassionate capitalism" a real thing? This interview was recorded as part of ...


Recode Decode: Aminatou Sow
Call Your Girlfriend co-host Aminatou Sow talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about upcoming book with Ann Friedman, Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close. Sow discusses "how [she] got bamboozled into getting business-married” to Friedman, why they went to therapy together, and why talking about your friendships with your friends is so important. She also talks about why she refuses to hang out with friends on Zoom, the assumptions we all make about other people's friendships, and what you should do whe...

Recode Decode: Samantha Power
Harvard professor Samantha Power, the former US ambassador the United Nations, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her 2019 memoir The Education of an Idealist, what idealism looks like now in America, and the Trump administration's deadly mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic — and what she would do differently were she in charge. Power also discusses how the Obama administration responded to the ebola epidemic in 2014, the growing power of tech leaders like Bill Gates, and what Mark Zuckerberg can le...

Recode Decode: Barry Lyga and Morgan Baden
The Hive authors Barry Lyga and Morgan Baden talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about how they came to write a young adult book about a social media dystopia, based on a cinematic idea from actor Jennifer Beals and producer Tom Jacobson. The 2019 book is set "five minutes in the future," where social media participation is mandated by the government for everyone over 13, which introduces some familiar social issues: The pressure to be perfect when everything is public, and the risk of mob justice when you step...


Recode Decode: Symone Sanders
Symone Sanders, a senior advisor to Joe Biden and former national press secretary for Bernie Sanders, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the 2020 campaign and her new memoir, No, You Shut Up: Speaking Truth to Power and Reclaiming America. Sanders reflects on her own political journey and explains why she's eager to support Biden this year — and why people who try to cast doubt on her career choices are "infuriating." Plus: What the Biden campaign wants from Facebook, and what advice does she have for p...

Recode Decode: Jason Fried
Basecamp CEO Jason Fried talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the company's new email product, Hey, which he describes as "the most ambitious and stupidest thing we’ve ever done." Fried also discusses how coronavirus proved that offices are not as important as other companies used to say, why Zoom calls "suck," and why Basecamp is charging $99/year for a personal Hey account, Plus: Why Uber is a "shitty business," why Fried doesn't want any public CEO's job, and the state of tech regulation. Featuring: Ja...

Recode Decode: Katie Couric
Katie Couric, the former host of the Today Show and anchor of the CBS Evening News, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about why the current moment of political protest feels unlike anything that came before; the fine line between objectivity and advocacy in journalism; and her upcoming memoir, Unexpected. Couric also discusses the battle over Confederate history and art in the south, America's divided news diet, and what she thought of the Apple TV+ series The Morning Show. Plus: Her famous interview with Sa...


Recode Decode: Jill Lepore
American historian and New Yorker staff writer Jill Lepore talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new podcast, The Last Archive, which investigates "who killed truth?" in the style of a true-crime show. Lepore discusses why the protests against systemic police violence represent America "at our very best," but explains why the two main competing theories of American history are both wrong — and how it should be taught and studied instead. She also talks about the history of technologies, from photograph...

Recode Decode: Bart Gellman
Journalist and author Bart Gellman talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his newest book, Dark Mirror: Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance State. Gellman discusses how he got connected with Snowden ahead of his whistleblowing disclosures in 2013; how he reacted to the staggering size of the US government's digital surveillance apparatus; and the different waves of impact of the Snowden leaks on the government and tech industry. He also talks about why people should still be concerned about the amo...

Recode Decode: Andy Puddicombe, Robin Arzon, and Marianne Williamson
Recode's Kara Swisher talks with three guests about how to take care of your mind, body, and spirit while in quarantine. Headspace co-founder Andy Puddicombe discusses the challenges of getting people to meditate, how to make your sleep more restful, and how to feel connected to loved ones you can't see right now; Peloton's head instructor Robin Arzon talks about the impact of COVID-19 on the company's business, why you should focus on what you can control when exercising, and the future of working out at h...


Recode Decode: Frances Frei
Harvard Business School professor Frances Frei talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the new book she wrote with her wife Anne Morriss, Unleashed: The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to Empowering Everyone Around You. Frei — who has previously worked with Uber, WeWork, and Riot Games to address culture crises — discusses what good leadership today looks like, the unfair treatment of women and people of color in business, and why it's a mistake to chase "balance" or "equal treatment." She also reflects on her w...

Recode Decode: Daniel Schreiber
Lemonade CEO and co-founder Daniel Schreiber talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about what happens to an insurance in a crisis like COVID-19, how some of the money from Lemonade customers' premiums will be allocated to coronavirus relief, and whether the insurance industry can be fully automated. Schreiber also talks about Lemonade's decision to be a public benefit corporation, why that doesn't make them "do-gooders," and why he strives to be more like Ulysses from the Odyssey and not like Mark Zuckerberg fro...

Recode Decode: Jon Mooallem
New York Times Magazine writer-at-large Jon Mooallem talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his newest book, This Is Chance!: The Shaking of an All-American City, A Voice That Held It Together. It tells the story of a 9.2-magnitude earthquake that struck Anchorage, Alaska in 1964 and how a part-time radio reporter named Genie Chance held her community together. Mooallem recounts how he got his hands on the recordings of Chance's broadcasts and reported out the full story of the disaster, which had been larg...


Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell
Phil Howard, the Oxford Internet Institute director and author of Lie Machines, and Emily Bell, the director of Columbia University's Tow Center for Digital Journalism, talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about the state of disinformation and propaganda in the coronavirus pandemic and how what we're hearing this year compares to the state-organized propaganda that infected elections in 2016. They explain some of the most pervasive conspiracy theories and campaigns — including the untruthful documentary-style mo...

Recode Decode: Dara Khosrowshahi
Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about Uber's evolving response to the COVID-19 pandemic, how it's preparing for the world to re-open, and the one segment of the company that is thriving right now — its food delivery business, UberEats. Khosrowshahi also discusses the company's recent 6700-person layoffs, the blowback UberEats has received for the fees it imposes on restaurant owners, and the “rumors” that it will acquire food delivery rival GrubHub, and why that wouldn't be a mon...

Recode Decode: Brian Chesky
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky returns to Recode Decode to talk with Kara Swisher about how the company is "going back to [its] roots" after the COVID-19 pandemic delayed its IPO; the future of travel and hospitality in a world with way fewer people taking airplanes; and how Airbnb tried to "lead by example" in its severance payments and benefits to laid-off employees. Chesky also talks about the delay of projects such as a previously-announced flight booking program, why fewer people will work from only one city ...


Recode Decode: Gene Sperling
Former Clinton and Obama economic advisor Gene Sperling talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his latest book, Economic Dignity, and how the COVID-19 pandemic is changing attitudes toward essential labor and compensation. He predicts that unemployment could top 10 percent for several years to come, and evaluates the federal government's response to the crisis so far, explaining what he would tell President Trump if he were still in the White House today. Sperling also talks about the need for laws to prote...

Recode Decode: Casey Newton and Louie Swisher
Recode's Kara Swisher talks with the Verge's Casey Newton and her older son, Louie Swisher, about how the COVID-19 pandemic and quarantine has affected their tech habits. They also discuss Louie's remote final months of high school, the future of video conferencing, and the growing power of tech giants such as Facebook and Amazon. Newton also talks about his reporting on Facebook moderators who developed PTSD on the job, which led to a recent $52 million settlement. Plus: What is everyone watching and playi...

Recode Decode: Jon Meacham
Historian and bestselling author Jon Meacham talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new podcast Hope Through History, which shows how Americans endured crises such as the Great Depression and the 1918 flu pandemic and came out the other side as a stronger nation. Meacham says there's no guarantee that the coronavirus pandemic will be resolved in the same way as the moments he has studied, but that it's a mistake to imagine that the past was a simpler "fairy tale" time without comparable struggles. He al...


Recode Decode: Maye Musk
Model and dietitian Maye Musk (the mother of Tesla/SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, entrepreneur Kimbal Musk, and filmmaker Tosca Musk) talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her recent memoir, A Woman Makes a Plan: Advice for a Lifetime of Adventure, Beauty, and Success. Musk also discusses ageism in modeling, her aversion to the "weird diets" that have caught on in Silicon Valley, and how she was a "pillar" to her three entrepreneurial kids. Plus: Does she want to go to Mars with Elon? (Note: This interview was reco...

Recode Decode: Joe Walsh
Former Republican Congressman Joe Walsh talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about why he tried to primary Donald Trump earlier this year, how the Republican Party became a "cult," and his recent book, F*ck Silence: Calling Trump Out for the Cultish, Moronic, Authoritarian Con Man He Is. Walsh, who also hosts a podcast called F*ck Silence, says the coronavirus crisis is finally starting to convince people who don't pay attention to politics that they should vote against President Trump in November, and that the...

Recode Decode: Scott Galloway
NYU Professor and Pivot co-host Scott Galloway returns to Recode Decode to talk about his new show on Vice TV, No Mercy, No Malice with Professor Scott Galloway. He and Recode's Kara Swisher also talk about how they started working together, why he decided to branch out into podcasting and then TV, and the "most disruptable" industries that young people should be going into right now — healthcare and higher education. Galloway explains what he would do if he were the provost of a major university like NYU, ...


Recode Decode: Alexis Coe
Political historian Alexis Coe talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her latest book, You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George Washington, which seeks to break the staid formula by which all other books about America's first president have been written. Coe says she is the only female historian to write a book about Washington, and discovered that other biographies written by white men have popularized sexist untruths about his single mother, while obscuring some crucial details about Washington ...

Recode Decode: Alex Kantrowitz
BuzzFeed News reporter Alex Kantrowitz talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, Always Day One: How The Tech Titans Plan To Stay On Top Forever. He discusses how coronavirus may change consumers’ relationship with tech giants, the opportunity for a new major labor movement, and how the companies he profiled in the book — including Amazon, Apple, and Facebook — keep from getting out-innovated. Kantrowitz says education, and not automation, is the larger problem for the long-term future of work, a...

Recode Decode: Ryan Murphy
TV producer Ryan Murphy — who created or produced shows like Glee, 911, and American Horror Story — talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new Netflix miniseries, Hollywood, which blends real history with fictional characters to imagine a more inclusive "what-if" version of the postwar film business. Murphy explains how shows like Glee and Modern Family encouraged LGBT acceptance, why he doesn't use Twitter anymore, and his mega-deal with Netflix, which was reported to be worth up to $300 million. Plus:...


Recode Decode: Dave Asprey
Bulletproof founder and former CEO Dave Asprey talks about the invention and current state of “biohacking," how his blog for “bulletproof executives” grew into a global lifestyle, and the most important ways to track and improve one’s life. Asprey explains how intermittent fasting works — but may not be right for everyone seven days a week — and says that quality of sleep is more important than quantity: Getting 8 hours of sleep every night is “garbage science,” he claims. He also discusses cryotherapy, med...

Recode Decode: Nikole Hannah-Jones
New York Times Magazine reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the coronavirus pandemic is magnifying inequality in the US, and our historical failure to treat essential workers — from meat-packing plants to checkout counters to delivery drivers — with the respect and protection they deserve. Hannah-Jones, who created the Times' ongoing series about the legacy of slavery, The 1619 Project, also talks about the technology gap and current inequalities in pre-college education,...

Recode Decode: Sarah Kendzior
Bestselling author and Gaslit Nation co-host Sarah Kendzior talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, Hiding in Plain Sight: The Invention of Donald Trump and the Erosion of America; what pundits get wrong about propaganda and election interference; and the “insane way” journalists treat Donald Trump’s Twitter bully pulpit. In the new book and her previous one, The View From Flyover Country, Kendzior argues that Trump's rise to the presidency was no accident — rather, it was the result of decades...


Recode Decode: Tim Ferriss
Bestselling author, investor, and podcaster Tim Ferriss talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his advice for people coping with the coronavirus quarantine, which includes giving yourself slack for being unproductive, afraid, and fatigued; the crucial difference between fast decisions and rushed ones; and why the pandemic crisis is a "natural culling of the herd" for businesses in a "bloated capitalist system" that have no resilience. Ferriss also discusses what he's starting to invest in after taking a fiv...

Recode Decode: Mark Cuban
Investor, Dallas Mavericks owner, and Shark Tank co-host Mark Cuban talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about what capitalism and entrepreneurship looks like in a post-coronavirus world; whether he's planning to run for political office, and what his platform would be if he did; and what it will take for professional sports to come back. Cuban, who was recently announced as a member of President Trump's panel to re-open the economy, says the government hasn't done enough yet for small businesses and explains w...

Recode Decode: Mayor London Breed
San Francisco Mayor London Breed talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about why she was one of the first local leaders in the US to act on the spread of covid-19, how she thinks about the slow and dishonest response from President Trump, and what long-term recovery will look like for SF and beyond. Breed also discusses why sheltering the city's homeless population in vacant hotels is harder and more complicated than it seems, what the tech sector can do to be part of the solution, and when she expects the crisi...


Jeffrey Katzenberg: It's not TV (or HBO, or Netflix). It's Quibi.
Quibi founder Jeffrey Katzenberg talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the first week of the short-form video app — which was intended for on-the-go consumers, but still racked up 1.7 million downloads, even though most of the world is currently staying at home. Katzenberg makes the case for short video episodes as a logical next step for entertainment, and explains how the economics of producing shows such as Dishmantled and Chrissy's Court compares to Netflix, traditional TV and YouTube. He also explains...

Recode Decode: Jeffrey Katzenberg
Quibi founder Jeffrey Katzenberg talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the first week of the short-form video app — which was intended for on-the-go consumers, but still racked up 1.7 million downloads, even though most of the world is currently staying at home. Katzenberg makes the case for short video episodes as a logical next step for entertainment, and explains how the economics of producing shows such as Dishmantled and Chrissy's Court compares to Netflix, traditional TV and YouTube. He also explains...

Recode Decode: Sarah Frier
Bloomberg technology reporter Sarah Frier talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, No Filter: The Inside Story of Instagram. Frier discusses how co-founders Mike Systrom and Danny Krieger met, why they sold Instagram to Facebook and not Twitter, and why Systrom and Krieger left in 2018. She also talks about how they and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg clashed over growth and power, how Instagram changes us psychologically, and the looming "reckoning" it faces as TikTok becomes more popular. Plus: H...


Recode Decode: Adam Grant
Organizational psychologist Adam Grant, the author of "Originals" and host of the podcast "WorkLife," talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the benefits of working from home, and how work will change during the COVID-19 quarantine — and after. Grant also discusses burnout, loneliness, collaboration, procrastination, and why employees don’t need to be micromanaged. Plus: Has online communication made us worse at trusting each other? Featuring: Adam Grant (@AdamMGrant), host of WorkLife and professor at Univ...

Recode Decode: Niall Ferguson
Historian Niall Ferguson, the author of bestselling books such as The Ascent of Money and The Square and the Tower, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new PBS series, Networld, which explores the history and science of networks. He discusses why it's important to understand networks, and how they can become the sources of revolutions; the economic implications of misinformation about coronavirus, which has been exacerbated by lax tech regulation; and why it's dangerous to invite Silicon Valley to tr...

Kevin Systrom: What we can learn about coronavirus by looking at the data
Instagram co-founder and former CEO Kevin Systrom talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the data analysis he has conducted and publicized about the global spread of coronavirus, and what it tells us the future looks like. He says he applied the same data-minded approach to the virus that he did while at Instagram because "data is data," and says the rapid word of mouth spread of "viral" technology can help us understand what happens when communities and governments don't act to prevent an outbreak. Systrom...


Recode Decode: Kevin Systrom
Instagram co-founder and former CEO Kevin Systrom talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the data analysis he has conducted and publicized about the global spread of coronavirus, and what it tells us the future looks like. He says he applied the same data-minded approach to the virus that he did while at Instagram because "data is data," and says the rapid word of mouth spread of "viral" technology can help us understand what happens when communities and governments don't act to prevent an outbreak. Systrom...

Recode Decode: David Plouffe
Former Obama advisor David Plouffe — who since leaving the White House has worked with Uber, the Chan-Zuckerberg Initiative, and Acronym — talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, A Citizen's Guide to Beating Donald Trump. He talks about how the coronavirus pandemic affects the 2020 election and popular perception of Trump and Joe Biden; the disastrous Iowa caucus how Democrats can get better at technology; and what regular people can do now if they want Trump to lose in November, including enga...

Recode Decode: Stewart Butterfield
Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how coronavirus changed everything for Slack and its customers, the sudden transition to "work from home" across the country, and how the company is handling a surge in usage at the same time that other plans and resources are being constrained. Butterfield also discusses Slack's recent redesign, how communication inside organizations has evolved over the years, and the state of innovation in Silicon Valley and the US as a whole. Plus: Wha...


Recode Decode: Gary Vaynerchuk
VaynerMedia CEO Gary Vaynerchuk talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the impact of covid-19 on entrepreneurship, why he stopped investing in tech companies two years ago, and how the pandemic could have a silver lining — separating the winners from the losers. Vaynerchuk also talks about why tech and Fortune 500 businesses will have an easier time weathering the crisis than restaurants and other small businesses; his own rise to fame as a "web 2.0" entrepreneur and how he's changing his own M.O. in respon...

Recode Decode: Deepak Chopra
Dr. Deepak Chopra talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how to cope with the global threat posed by coronavirus, the parallel "pandemic of panic," and how to not be overwhelmed by fear and anxiety. Comparing it to past pandemics and wars, he says the covid-19 outbreak is an invitation to stop denying our shared humanity and finally recognize our power to use our creativity to save ourselves. Chopra also discusses his AI project Digital Deepak, what a selfie can tell you about your stress level, and how he'...

Deepak Chopra: "If this doesn't bring us together, then we deserve whatever happens"
Dr. Deepak Chopra talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how to cope with the global threat posed by coronavirus, the parallel "pandemic of panic," and how to not be overwhelmed by fear and anxiety. Comparing it to past pandemics and wars, he says the covid-19 outbreak is an invitation to stop denying our shared humanity and finally recognize our power to use our creativity to save ourselves. Chopra also discusses his AI project Digital Deepak, what a selfie can tell you about your stress level, and how he'...


Recode Decode: Chamath Palihapitiya
Social Capital CEO Chamath Palihapitiya talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how long it will take to recover from the coronavirus crisis, its impact on startups, and how the US government should and will react — including by tracking individuals via their technology and repatriating cash from tech companies like Apple. Palihapitiya says businesses should make sure they have at least 36 months worth of cash on hand to weather this recession and its slow recovery period and predicts the US will need to dev...

Chamath Palihapitiya: "The investing landscape is done,” taxes will go up, and a two-week lockdown is inevitable
Social Capital CEO Chamath Palihapitiya talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how long it will take to recover from the coronavirus crisis, its impact on startups, and how the US government should and will react — including by tracking individuals via their technology and repatriating cash from tech companies like Apple. Palihapitiya says businesses should make sure they have at least 36 months worth of cash on hand to weather this recession and its slow recovery period and predicts the US will need to dev...

Recode Decode: Ben Hubbard
Ben Hubbard, the Beirut bureau chief for the New York Times, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, MBS: The Rise to Power of Mohammed Bin Salman. Hubbard explains how he started writing about Saudi Arabia and its crown prince, MBS's unexpected rise to power, and the recent international incidents that have made him more notorious in the west: The murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi and the hacking of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos's phone. He also discusses the Saudi government's relat...


Ben Hubbard: How Saudi Arabia's Mohammed bin Salman became a feared leader and cyber criminal
Ben Hubbard, the Beirut bureau chief for the New York Times, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, MBS: The Rise to Power of Mohammed Bin Salman. Hubbard explains how he started writing about Saudi Arabia and its crown prince, MBS's unexpected rise to power, and the recent international incidents that have made him more notorious in the west: The murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi and the hacking of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos's phone. He also discusses the Saudi government's relat...

Recode Decode: Andrew Yang
Former 2020 presidential candidate Andrew Yang talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the growing popularity of government programs to send money directly to people affected by the coronavirus pandemic. His own organization t hat advocates for universal basic income, Humanity Forward, plans to start cutting checks to regular Americans soon, starting with the working poor in New York City's Bronx borough and workers who depend on tips to make ends meet. Yang also says he plans to run for office again in the ...

Recode Decode: "After Truth"
Recode's Kara Swisher talks with three of the brains behind the new HBO documentary After Truth: Disinformation and the Cost of Fake News: Director Andrew Rossi, who previously directed Page One: Inside the New York Times; executive producer Brian Stelter, who hosts Reliable Sources on CNN; and co-producer Adam McGill. They discuss how disinformation about everything from coronavirus to #BlackLivesMatter spreads online, the victims of the Pizzagate and Seth Rich conspiracy theories, and why Russian election...


Recode Decode: Maggie Haberman
Maggie Haberman, the White House correspondent for the New York Times, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the rest of the country has bypassed Trump's failure to lead on the coronavirus outbreak; his exposure to COVID-19 at Mar-a-Lago and refusal to self-quarantine; and the toxic cocktail of practices in his administration: Infighting, tiptoeing, and sucking up. She also discusses CDC director Anthony Fauci's "unimpeachable" credibility vs. President Trump's trust problem, how Vice President Pence i...

Maggie Haberman: How coronavirus changes everything for President Trump
Maggie Haberman, the White House correspondent for the New York Times, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the rest of the country has bypassed Trump's failure to lead on the coronavirus outbreak; his exposure to COVID-19 at Mar-a-Lago and refusal to self-quarantine; and the toxic cocktail of practices in his administration: Infighting, tiptoeing, and sucking up. She also discusses CDC director Anthony Fauci's "unimpeachable" credibility vs. President Trump's trust problem, how Vice President Pence i...

Ron Klain: The coronavirus outbreak is just getting started in the US
Epidemic co-host Ron Klain, who led the White House's ebola response under President Obama, talks to Recode's Kara Swisher about how the COVID-19 outbreak will strain America's healthcare system; how President Trump downplayed the crisis, rattling public confidence and delaying the country's response; and the way people who work in the gig economy — including Uber drivers and food delivery workers — will be especially hurt by the situation. He also discusses the logic behind travel bans and limits of their ...


Recode Decode: Ron Klain
Epidemic co-host Ron Klain, who led the White House's ebola response under President Obama, talks to Recode's Kara Swisher about how the COVID-19 outbreak will strain America's healthcare system; how President Trump downplayed the crisis, rattling public confidence and delaying the country's response; and the way people who work in the gig economy — including Uber drivers and food delivery workers — will be especially hurt by the situation. He also discusses the logic behind travel bans and limits of their ...