Unseen Leadership

Unseen Leadership Podcast

Unseen Leadership, hosted by Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter, explores the unseen stories that have made leaders who they are today. This is a podcast for young leaders to learn from those ahead of them by exploring the early days of their leadership, understanding the mistakes they made, and identifying the habits that shaped them. All to help you lead in the future. This podcast will be featuring guests like Carey Nieuwhof, Jamie Ivey, Clay Scroggins, Jackie Hill Perry, Levi Lusko, and many more.

Unseen Leadership Episode 60: Michael Hyatt on Leading Yourself Before Leading Others
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Mike Kelsey are joined by Michael Hyatt who is the former chairman and CEO of Thomas Nelson Publishers and author of many books including Win at Work and Succeed at Life. During their conversation, they discuss self leadership, how vision drives results, and adding constraints around your work to achieve more. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 60: "I was on the verge of losing my family and compromising what were my most important priorities a...

Unseen Leadership Episode 59: Jonathan Pokluda on Long Obedience
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Mike Kelsey are joined by Jonathan Pokluda who is the lead pastor of Harris Creek Baptist Church in Waco, Texas and author of Outdated. During their conversation, they discuss long obedience, how selfish ambition is not fulfilling, and how healthy leadership requires service. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 59: "We underestimate what we can do with long obedience in the same direction and we way overestimate what we can do in a short period ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 58: Rich Villodas on Integrating Soul and Role
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Mike Kelsey are joined by Rich Villodas who is the author of The Deeply Formed Life and lead pastor at New Life Fellowship in New York City. During their conversation, they discuss the integration between soul and role, the balance of reading and experience, and our ability to grow in self-differentiation. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 58: "Leadership must be this integration between soul and role.""Don't aspire to a role that your soul is...


Unseen Leadership Episode 57: Mike Kelsey on Balancing an Internal and External Call
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Mike Kelsey who is the lead pastor of preaching and culture at McLean Bible Church in the Washington, D.C., area. During their conversation, they discuss the process of growing as a young leader, finding the balance of an internal and external call, and evaluating and examining social media in our lives. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 57: "God began to show me, 'You have a passion for communication and you have a p...

Unseen Leadership Episode 56: Lisa Whittle on a Revival of the Soul
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Lisa Whittle who is a sought after Bible teacher, founder of Ministry Strong, and host of the popular Jesus Over Everything podcast. She is the author of seven books, including her newest Bible study release Jesus Over Everything. During their conversation, they discuss what it means to be a natural-born leader, needing a revival of the soul, and the benefits of being patient in the wait. QUOTES FROM EPISOD...

Unseen Leadership Episode 55: Bruce Ashford on Responding to Criticism and Crisis
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Bruce Ashford who is a Professor of Theology and Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He has also worked on the mission field in over 40 countries, and the author of multiple books, including Letters to an American Christian, One Nation Under God, and his latest, How to Survive an Election Season. During their conversation, they discuss being shaped by and serving institutions, learning to mov...


Unseen Leadership Episode 54: Trevin Wax on Creating a Habit of Writing
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Trevin Wax who is senior vice president of Theology and Communications at Lifeway Christian Resources. He is also the general editor of The Gospel Project, and the author of multiple books, including Rethink Your Self, This Is Our Time, and Gospel Centered Teaching. During their conversation, they discuss how to produce high-level content, the cultural trends for young leaders in the years to come, and how to cr...

Unseen Leadership Episode 53: Christy Nockels on Resting in God as a Leader
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Christy Nockels who is a wife, mother, podcaster, and worship leader for global movements like Passion Conferences and IF:Gathering. And she is also now an author with her debut book The Life You Long For. During their conversation, they discuss how to rest in God as a leader, how to protect ourselves from comparison, and the benefits of collaboration in leadership. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 53: “I was living for God,...

Unseen Leadership Episode 52: Andre Grey on Our Gifts Outpacing Our Character
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Andre Grey who is a Congregation Pastor at the Austin Stone Community.  During their conversation, they discuss how our gifts can outpace our character, leadership lessons that Andre learned from the military, and the difference between relational leadership and hierarchical leadership. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 52: “My gifts as a young kid were so forward facing that they pulled me into rooms and doors that quite hon...


Unseen Leadership Episode 51: J.T. English on Growing in Discipleship
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by JT English who is the lead pastor at Storyline Church in Colorado. Before that, he was a pastor at the Village Church where he led The Village Institute. He also co-hosts the Knowing Faith podcast and is the author of his new book Deep Discipleship. During their conversation, they discuss how to grow in discipleship, how to get constant feedback from those you are leading, and what it was like taking over a chur...

Unseen Leadership Episode 50: Dianne Jago on Leaning into Our Weakness as Leader
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Dianne Jago who is a military wife and mother of three residing in Pensacola, Florida. She is the founder and chief editor of Deeply Rooted Magazine, where she works with her team to encourage, inspire, and equip women to be deeply rooted in Christ alone. She is also the author of A Holy Pursuit .  During their conversation, they discuss how to lead a remote team, how to bring a dream to a reality, and how to le...

Unseen Leadership Episode 49: Barnabas Piper on Living Up to Expectations as a Pastor’s Kid
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Barnabas Piper who is on staff at Immanuel Church in Nashville, TN. He is also the author of The Pastor's Kid and Help My Unbelief AND He co-hosts the popular Happy Rant podcast. Exciting news…..he also just released a new book called Hoping for Happiness. During their conversation, they discuss how to wait on the Lord in your work, growing in humility as a leader, and  living up to expectations as a pastor’s ki...


Unseen Leadership Episode 48: Dorena Williamson on Becoming a Bridge Builder
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Dorena Williamson who is a proud mother, a passionate teacher, and a devoted bridge-builder. She is also the author of ColorFull, ThoughtFull, and GraceFull, which are children’s books that celebrate God’s diverse kingdom. During their conversation, they discuss what it means to be a bridge-builder, the necessity of listening and learning from others, and how to focus on pleasing God more than people. QUOTES FRO...

Unseen Leadership Episode 47: Matt Chandler on Being Diagnosed with Brain Cancer as a Young Leader
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Matt Chandler who is the lead pastor of teaching at The Village Church in Dallas, Texas, and the president of Acts 29. He has authored several books, including To Live Is Christ to Die Is Gain, Creature of the Word, and The Explicit Gospel. During their conversation, they discuss how Matt was diagnosed with brain cancer as a young leader, how to understand yourself as a leader, and how to create an ideal week an...

Unseen Leadership Episode 46: Alexandra Hoover on Rooting our Identity in Christ, Not our Role
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Alexandra Hoover who is a wife, mother, Bible teacher, and writer. She has the privilege of serving on staff at Transformation Church as the Assistant Director of Equipping. She’s passionate about communicating the love of Jesus, whether it be through writing or speaking. During their conversation, they discuss how to lead up to older leaders, how to lead those who have hurt you, and how to root our identity in ...


Unseen Leadership Episode 45: Ben Mandrell on Transitioning from Church Planter to CEO of Lifeway
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ben Mandrell who is the former Senior Pastor of Inglewood Baptist Church and the founding planter of Storyline Fellowship in Arvada, CO. He is now the President and CEO of Lifeway Christian Resources. During their conversation, they discuss the link between teaching and leadership, productivity tips to stay organized as a leader, and Ben’s transition from church planting to Lifeway. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 45: “A ma...

Unseen Leadership Episode 44: Brad Barnett on Understanding Yourself as a Leader
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Brad Barnett who is the Senior Manager of Events for Lifeway Students. He helps lead and oversee over 125,000 students and kids that come to camp every summer. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand yourself as a leader, how to explore your calling, and how to lead as an introvert. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 44: “Leadership intentionality with others trumps any kind of leadership knowledge.” “We can...

Unseen Leadership Episode 43: 1 Year of the Unseen Leadership Podcast
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter look back on the first year of the Unseen Leadership podcast and reflect on what they have learned while interviewing 40+ leaders. During their conversation, they answer the following questions: What are 2-3 of the most impactful quotes that we have heard on the podcast? After 40+ interviews, what are 2-3 words or ideas that have stuck out the most to you? What has been your personal favorite moment on this podcast? ...


Unseen Leadership Episode 42: Dean Inserra on Growing in Self Awareness
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Dean Inserra who is the founding and lead pastor of City Church in Tallahassee, FL, and the author of The Unsaved Christian. During their conversation, they discuss the journey of church planting, how to grow in self-awareness, and how to determine if you should go to seminary. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 42: “We are all replaceable and don't need to have a chip on our shoulder.” “I think you need to get seminary out o...

Unseen Leadership Episode 41: Pete Scazzero on Redefining Success
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Pete Scazzero who was a pastor for 26 years before co-founding Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. Many of us know Pete from reading one of his bestselling books, including The Emotionally Healthy Leader and Emotionally Healthy Spirituality.  During their conversation, they discuss how to become emotionally mature, how to redefine success, and how to create a rule of life. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 41: “Discipling peopl...

Unseen Leadership Episode 40: Todd Adkins on Investing in Others
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Todd Adkins who is the Director of Lifeway Leadership. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand a new work culture, being a learner, and investing in others. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 40: “I think as leaders we need to be ready for people to not know our name.” “A big part of leadership is recognizing that your fruit often grows on other peoples trees.” “Every person in an organization should be a p...


Unseen Leadership Episode 39: Gene Getz on Being a Lifelong Learner
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Gene Getz who has served as a professor at Moody Bible Institute and Dallas Theological Seminary. He launched the Fellowship Bible Church movement in 1972. And he is the author of 60 books including The Measure of a Man and the Life Essentials Study Bible. During their conversation, they discuss the need for mentors, not viewing yourself as a professional, and how to be a lifelong learner. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 39...

Unseen Leadership Episode 38: Eugene Cho on The Marathon of Leadership
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Eugene Cho who is the founder and former Senior Pastor of Quest Church. He is now the President-Elect of Bread for the World. He is also an author of several books including his latest Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk. During their conversation, they discuss the marathon of leadership, the pitfalls of building a platform for the wrong reasons, and Eugene’s journey as an entrepreneur. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 37: “One of the ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 37: Derwin Gray on Focusing on Discipleship More Than Leadership
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Derwin Gray who is a former NFL football player and the founding and lead pastor of Transformation Church in South Carolina. He is also an author of many books, including his latest The Good Life. During their conversation, they discuss how to learn from failure, how to focus on discipleship more than leadership, and how to find true happiness in Christ. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 37: “Typically where leaders fail is t...


Unseen Leadership Episode 36: Steve Green on Seeing Business as Ministry
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy is joined by Steve Green who is the President of Hobby Lobby, founder of the Museum of the Bible in Washington, DC, and author of many books including his latest This Beautiful Book which just recently released. During their conversation, they discuss how to build a strong organization, how to lead relationally, and how to see your business as a ministry. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 36: “You lose teaching opportunities when you just do the job yours...

Unseen Leadership Episode 35: Ken Costa on Understanding Your Calling
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ken Costa who is a London-based, internationally renowned banker, author and speaker. He has been the chairman of some of the world’s largest investment banks, advisor to some of the most powerful people in the world, and is a committed Christian who believes Jesus is the hope of the world. During their conversation, they discuss how to view your work, how to understand your calling, and slow down and listen to G...

Unseen Leadership Episode 34: Daniel Im on Navigating Transitions
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Daniel Im who is the Senior Associate Pastor at Beulah Alliance Church, speaker, and author of a few books including his latest You Are What You Do. During their conversation, they discuss navigating transitions, discerning God’s call on your life, and staying focused on the little things. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 34: “We just wanted to get plugged in and be the type of volunteer I would have looked for while on staf...


Unseen Leadership Episode 33: John Eldredge on Pausing and Slowing Down
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by John Eldredge who is a counselor, a teacher, and an author of  Wild at Heart and his latest book called Get Your Life Back.  During their conversation, they discuss how to handle stress and anxiety, the importance of trust in leadership, and the importance of pausing and slowing down. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 33: “We can want to change the world. But we should enjoy our life while trying to change the world.” “Do rea...

Unseen Leadership Episode 32: Ellie Holcomb on Leading with Authenticity
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Jenaye White are joined by Ellie Holcomb who is a Dove award-winning singer/songwriter and author of two children’s books titled Who Sang the First Song, and her brand new kids book Don't Forget to Remember, available now. During their conversation, they discuss how to lead with authenticity, how the creative process works, and how God’s plans are better than our own. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 32: “Music is a bridge builder. There is something...

Unseen Leadership Episode 32: Ellie Holcomb on Leading with Authenticity
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Jenaye White are joined by Ellie Holcomb who is a Dove award-winning singer/songwriter and author of two children’s books titled Who Sang the First Song, and her brand new kids book Don't Forget to Remember, available now. During their conversation, they discuss how to lead with authenticity, how the creative process works, and how God’s plans are better than our own. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 32: “Music is a bridge builder. There is something...


Unseen Leadership Episode 31: Joshua Gagnon on Pursuing Dreams in a Godly Way
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Joshua Gagnon who is the founding and Lead Pastor of Next Level Church, which is one of the fastest growing churches in America and the author of his new book It’s Not Over. During their conversation, they discuss how to leading by asking good questions, building culture, and pursuing your dreams in a Godly way. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 31: “No one wants to listen to a young leader full of pride or thinks they know i...

Unseen Leadership Episode 30: Shannon Miles on Taking Calculated Risks
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Shannon Miles who is the Co-Founder and Co-Chair of Belay Solutions, a Virtual Assistant Company. During their conversation, they discuss how to take calculated risks, how to lead others with empathy, and how to lead remote teams. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 30: “When your desperation exceeds your embarrassment, you will make a change.” “I had to learn to stop applying my desires and ambitions to those I was trying to l...

Unseen Leadership Episode 29: Andrew Peterson on Distinguishing between Pride and Ambition
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Andrew Peterson who is an award-winning sing-songwriter, creator of The Rabbit Room, and author of the Wingfeather Saga and his latest book Adorning the Dark. During their conversation, they discuss how to distinguish between pride and ambition, how to tell the difference between leadership and false influence, and how to lead as a creative. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 29: “There is no recipe for success. The best advic...


Unseen Leadership Episode 28: Kara Powell on Handling Anxiety and Depression in the Church
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kara Powell who is the Executive Director of the Fuller Youth Institute and a faculty member at Fuller Theological Seminary. She’s also the author of Sticky Faith, Growing Young, and a brand new high school curriculum titled Faith in an Anxious World. During their conversation, they discuss affirming leadership in others, when to pursue higher education and seminary, and how to handle anxiety and depression in th...

Unseen Leadership Episode 27: Eric Geiger on Building Credibility with Those You Lead
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Eric Geiger who is the Senior Pastor of Mariners Church in Irvine, California. Before moving to Southern California, Eric served as senior vice-president here at Lifeway. He is the author of many books including Simple Church, Designed to Lead and his latest How to Ruin Your Life. During their conversation, they discuss how to build credibility with those you lead, how to equip others to do ministry, and how to ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 26: Will Mancini on the Overcoming Approval Addiction
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Will Mancini who is the Founder of Auxano, creator of VisionRoom.com and the author of his latest book Younique. During their conversation, they discuss how to discover your personal calling, receive honest feedback, and overcome approval addiction. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 26: “There is the me I want to be, and then there is the me God created me to be.” “There is no one who has ever walked planet earth that is bui...


Unseen Leadership Episode 25: Bobby Gruenewald on the Creation of the Bible App
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Bobby Gruenewald who is Pastor and Innovation Leader at Life.Church, a multisite church based in Oklahoma. He is also the founder of the YouVersion Bible App, which reached over 400 million installs in December 2019. During their conversation, they discuss how The Bible App came to be, how to steward what God has entrusted you, and how to lead as an entrepreneur. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 25: “I had an investor before...

Unseen Leadership Episode 24: John Mark Comer on Eliminating Hurry
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by John Mark Comer who is the pastor for teaching and vision at Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon and the author of many books including his latest, The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand our limits, how to create a rule of life, and how to eliminate hurry. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 24: “We achieve inner peace when our schedule is aligned with our values.” “Leadi...

Unseen Leadership Episode 23: Top Books of 2019
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter walk through their top books that were recommended on the podcast in 2019. One of the most common questions we have received is if we have a running list of all the books that are referenced to on the podcast. Well, now we do. You can find that list at leadership.lifeway.com/unseenbooks. YOUNG LEADER LIBRARY GIVEAWAY: In connection with this podcast episode, we are giving away a young leader library that includes all 15 book...


Unseen Leadership Recommended Books
One of the most common requests we get on social media is if we could create a running list of books that are referenced during each episode. So here you go! Unseen Leadership Episode 22: Art Rainer on The Importance of Relationships The First 90 Days by Michael D. Watkins Leading Change by John Kotter God and Money by Gregory Baumer and John Cortines Unseen Leadership Episode 21: Christine and Nick Caine on Growing as an Emotionally Healthy Leader The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero Boundarie...

Unseen Leadership Episode 22: Art Rainer on The Importance of Relationships
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Art Rainer who is the Vice President for Institutional Advancement at SEBTS and author of The Money Challenge. This past summer, he also released  a series of children’s books called The Secret Slide Money Club. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand your calling, focus on relationships, and handle your personal finances. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 22: “One of the mistakes young leaders can fall into...

Unseen Leadership Episode 21: Christine and Nick Caine on Growing as an Emotionally Healthy Leader
In this special episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast and 5 Leadership Questions podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Todd Adkins are joined by Christine and Nick Caine who are founders of the The A21 Campaign. During their conversation, they discuss how to focus on developing others, balancing delegation and excellence, and growing as an emotionally healthy leader. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 21: “We should always be focusing on developing pipelines and pathways so other people can be developed.” “If you are just goin...


Unseen Leadership Episode 21: Christine and Nick Caine on Growing as an Emotionally Healthy Leader
In this special episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast and 5 Leadership Questions podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Todd Adkins are joined by Christine and Nick Caine who are founders of the The A21 Campaign. During their conversation, they discuss how to focus on developing others, balancing delegation and excellence, and growing as an emotionally healthy leader. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 21: “We should always be focusing on developing pipelines and pathways so other people can be developed.” “If you are just goin...

Unseen Leadership Episode 20: Robby Gallaty on The Importance of Discipleship
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Robby Gallaty who is the Senior Pastor of Long Hollow Baptist Church, the founder of Replicate Ministries, host of the Making Disciples podcast, and the author of several books, including Growing Up. During their conversation, they discuss the importance of discipleship, how to empower others in ministry, and dealing with pride. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 20: “Even through the difficult times and the good times, God ne...

Unseen Leadership Episode 20: Robby Gallaty on The Importance of Discipleship
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Robby Gallaty who is the Senior Pastor of Long Hollow Baptist Church, the founder of Replicate Ministries, host of the Making Disciples podcast, and the author of several books, including Growing Up. During their conversation, they discuss the importance of discipleship, how to empower others in ministry, and dealing with pride. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 20: “Even through the difficult times and the good times, God ne...


Unseen Leadership Episode 19: Ed Newton on Slowing Down Your Leadership
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ed Newton who is the Senior Pastor at Community Bible Church in San Antonio, Texas, which is a diverse congregation with about 27,000 members. During their conversation, they discuss how to focus on relational equity, slow down in your leadership, and deal with criticism. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 19: “Leadership is more than a title, it is an assignment, and that assignment changes.” “One of the biggest mistakes for ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 19: Ed Newton on Slowing Down Your Leadership
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ed Newton who is the Senior Pastor at Community Bible Church in San Antonio, Texas, which is a diverse congregation with about 27,000 members. During their conversation, they discuss how to focus on relational equity, slow down in your leadership, and deal with criticism. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 19: “Leadership is more than a title, it is an assignment, and that assignment changes.” “One of the biggest mistakes for ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 18: Ron Edmondson on Leading Where God Has Placed You
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ron Edmondson who is the CEO of Leadership Network, a former pastor, and author of the book The Mythical Leader. During their conversation, they discuss how to lead where God has placed you, empower those in the pews, and create buy-in from your team. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 18: “Wherever God has allowed you to be, that is where he desires to use you.” “If you have certain skill sets that the church can use, then r...


Unseen Leadership Episode 17: J.D. Greear on Doing Meaningful Things with Awesome People
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by JD Greear who is the pastor of The Summit Church, President of the Southern Baptist Convention, host of the Ask Me Anything podcast, and author of many books including his latest Above All.  During their conversation, they discuss the need for surrounding yourself with great people, practical ways to create a healthy culture, and making mistakes slowly. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 17: “You don’t get leadership bestowed ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 17: J.D. Greear on Doing Meaningful Things with Awesome People
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by JD Greear who is the pastor of The Summit Church, President of the Southern Baptist Convention, host of the Ask Me Anything podcast, and author of many books including his latest Above All.  During their conversation, they discuss the need for surrounding yourself with great people, practical ways to create a healthy culture, and making mistakes slowly. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 17: “You don’t get leadership bestowed ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 16: Matt Carter on How to Delegate Leadership
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Matt Carter who is the Pastor of Preaching and Vision at The Austin Stone Community Church and is author or co-author of several books, including his latest The Long Walk Home. During their conversation, they discuss how to delegate leadership to others, how to live on mission, and how to strive for excellence with grace. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 16: “I decided from day one of the Austin Stone that we wanted to have ...


Unseen Leadership Episode 15: Kevin Queen on Understanding Your Calling
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kevin Queen who is the Lead Pastor of Cross Point Church right here in Nashville, TN. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand your calling, wrestling with disappointing others, and leading with humility. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 15: “Leadership is disappointing people at a rate that they can stand.” “We cannot please everyone and follow the call of God.” “Many a young man wants to do great things ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 14: Brent Crowe on Learning from Others
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Brent Crowe who is currently serving as Vice President for Student Leadership University. He is also the author of several books including his latest, Moments 'til Midnight. During their conversation, they discuss how to steward your influence well, how to learn from others’ experiences, and how to slow down to hear from the Lord. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 14: “When you steward your influence well, there’s a good chan...

Unseen Leadership Episode 13: Brad Lomenick on Healthy Ambition
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Brad Lomenick, who lead Catalyst for many years and is now a leadership consultant, speaker, founder of BLINC, and author of The Catalyst Leader and H3 Leadership. During their conversation, they discuss Brad’s leadership before he was the head of Catalyst and how to focus on significance over success, how to have healthy ambition, and how to have balance hustle and margin. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 13: “If I’m not he...


Unseen Leadership Episode 12: Jenni Catron on Self Leadership
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jenni Catron who is the founder of The 4Sight Group, a speaker, a leadership expert, and author of several books including The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership. During their conversation, they discuss how to be self aware, how to let others speak into your life, and how to lead yourself first before leading others. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 12: “If you want to work with widgets, go work in a factory. But if yo...

Unseen Leadership Episode 11: Bob Russell on Healthy Conflict
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Bob Russell who is the former Senior Pastor of Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, KY and author of the book After 50 Years of Ministry.  During their conversation, they discuss the need to delegate instead of doing it all, surrounding yourself with great leaders, and having healthy conflict. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 11: “A great slogan for lay leaders in the church would be ‘we are going to make our preacher s...

Unseen Leadership Episode 10: Annie F. Downs on Leading Where You Flourish
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Annie F. Downs, who is a speaker, podcaster, and bestselling author of many books including her newest book Remember God.  During their conversation, they discuss leading through unlikely circumstances, leading with influence plus compassion, and leading where you flourish. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 10: “When you are in leadership, there is a heavier mantle on you and a higher requirement.” “Disobedience is always di...


Unseen Leadership Episode 9: Ben Trueblood on Leading as a Student Pastor
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ben Trueblood who serves as the Director of Student Ministry for Lifeway Christian Resources and has seventeen years of student ministry experience, fourteen of which were spent in the local church as a student pastor. During their conversation, they discuss the importance of mentors, caring more about people than the results, and the biggest keys for leadership as a student pastor. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 9: “Leade...

Unseen Leadership Episode 8: Josh Patterson on Learning from Failure
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Josh Patterson, the Lead Pastor over Ministry Leadership at The Village Church and co-author of the book Creature of the Word.  During their conversation, they discuss Josh’s leadership journey that lead him to the Village Church, and how to learn through failure, how to slow down and reflect on your leadership journey, and how to lead as the #2 guy as a strategic leader. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 8: “Starting in 2003...

Unseen Leadership Episode 7: Kevin Peck on Developing Leaders in the Church
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kevin Peck who is the Lead Pastor of The Austin Stone Church and co-author of Designed to Lead.  During their conversation, they discuss Kevin’s leadership journey that brought him to the Austin Stone and how he learned to lead in the marketplace before the church, how to develop leaders in the church, and how to scale your ministry. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 7: “Lead often and fail just as much but learn along the wa...


Unseen Leadership Episode 6: Louie Giglio on Taking the Next Step
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Louie Giglio who is the Pastor of Passion City Church, the Founder of the Passion movement, and author of many books including his latest Not Forsaken. During their conversation, they discuss Louie’s journey to founding the Passion movement, how the pain of losing his dad has shaped his leadership, and how to not read your own headlines and remain humble. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 6: “What comes into our minds when w...

Unseen Leadership Episode 5: Jackie Hill Perry on How to Lead with Humility
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jackie Hill Perry who is a musical artist, speaker, master of the spoken word, and author of Gay Girl, Good God. During their conversation, they discuss how to deal with shame as a leader, how to lead with vulnerability, the need for having mentors in your life, and how to lead with humility. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 5: “I’m really just a person who wants to show people that God really is honest in all that he says, ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 4: Levi Lusko on Living Open Handed with Your Plans
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Levi Lusko who is the author of the bestselling books Through the Eyes of a Lion, Swipe Right, and his latest I Declare War. He is also the lead pastor of Fresh Life Church – a multisite church located in Montana, Utah, Oregon, and Wyoming. During their conversation, they discuss living open handed with your plans, determining the calling on your life, and how to develop leaders through asking the right question...


Unseen Leadership Episode 3: Clay Scroggins on How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Clay Scroggins who is one of the Lead Pastors at Northpoint Community Church. He is a jack of many trades, the master of hosting, and the author of How to Lead When You're Not in Charge. During their conversation, they discuss leading as a student pastor while desiring to be a lead pastor, opening yourself up to feedback, and developing your self. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 3: “We don’t need to be asking how do we get ...

Unseen Leadership Episode 2: Jamie Ivey on Dealing with Your Past and Sharing Your Struggles with Others
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jamie Ivey, the host of the Happy Hour Podcast and author of If You Only Knew. During their conversation, they discuss how to deal with your past and share your struggles with others, how to wrestle with the fear of not measuring up as a leader, and how young women can grow as leaders. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 2: “With great power comes great responsibility...isn’t that a Spiderman reference?” “We all need to be fai...

Unseen Leadership Episode 1: Carey Nieuwhof on How to Handle and Avoid Burnout
In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Carey Nieuwhof who is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He's the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming. He also hosts the top-rated Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast where he interviews some of today's best leaders. During their conversation, they discuss how to handle and avoid burnout as a leader, how to focus on helping others rather than build...


Unseen Leadership Episode 0: Welcome to the Podcast
We are excited to announce, Unseen Leadership, the newest podcast from the Lifeway Leadership Podcast Network. On the Unseen Leadership podcast, hosts Chandler Vannoy (Brand Manager, Lifeway Leadership) and Josh Hunter (Director, Student Life Camp) explore the unseen stories that have made leaders who they are today. This podcast will be featuring guests like Carey Nieuwhof, Jamie Ivey, Clay Scroggins, Jackie Hill Perry, Levi Lusko, and many more. Unseen Leadership is a podcast for young leaders to learn...